Shelter Selection Advice

Shelter Selection Advice

Postby dhargo » Wed Jun 01, 2016 3:18 pm

At age 68, I am starting year two in retirement by hunting the high country via backpack. So far, I have listened to many, many podcasts, and our hunting community is blessed to have such excellent people providing them. Now, I am seeking advice from those experienced hunters on this forum for specific shelter consultation.

I will be hunting primarily in Idaho (mule deer and elk), Colorado (mule deer and elk) and Arizona (Coues deer). For the past two years, we have experienced an average of two days per hunt with sustained winds in the 40-50 mph range with gusts even higher. Some snow and some rain.

I have narrowed down my short list to: the SO LBO, Cimarron, and 4 man-tipi. Given our weather experience, we would like advice on which shelter would best handle the winds, etc. We do plan to have an SO titanium stove with us for the colder hunts. Our party will be two hunters only with the appropriate gear.

I would appreciate you sharing your experience and recommendations. Of course, if I have missed a shelter that would fit our needs, I would welcome your suggestions.

Thanks,

Old Guy
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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby reaper » Wed Jun 01, 2016 5:58 pm

dhargo wrote:At age 68, I am starting year two in retirement by hunting the high country via backpack. So far, I have listened to many, many podcasts, and our hunting community is blessed to have such excellent people providing them. Now, I am seeking advice from those experienced hunters on this forum for specific shelter consultation.

I will be hunting primarily in Idaho (mule deer and elk), Colorado (mule deer and elk) and Arizona (Coues deer). For the past two years, we have experienced an average of two days per hunt with sustained winds in the 40-50 mph range with gusts even higher. Some snow and some rain.

I have narrowed down my short list to: the SO LBO, Cimarron, and 4 man-tipi. Given our weather experience, we would like advice on which shelter would best handle the winds, etc. We do plan to have an SO titanium stove with us for the colder hunts. Our party will be two hunters only with the appropriate gear.

I would appreciate you sharing your experience and recommendations. Of course, if I have missed a shelter that would fit our needs, I would welcome your suggestions.

Thanks,

Old Guy

Hi and welcome to the forum.

As a seekoutside 4 man tipi owner i can anwer the call ;)

If your choices are between the shelters you just named... I say order the 4 man tipi all the way.You can see a lot of pictures on my 4 man on the forum,its PERFECT for 2 pers,stove and a lot of gear.Great room on each sides,you can get much room with the help of the outside guide outs,easy to pitch,go see the 4 man instructions pitch on the seekoutside website...sooo easy. I am from Quebec,Canada so a lot of rain and snow condition and my 4 man keep going strong.If you have any questions feel free,i can help.

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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby kevin_t » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:52 am

Of those, 4 man. Redcliff would be an option as well, but is larger than needed. Cimarron would do fine, but doesn't offer stand up room.
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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby dhargo » Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:19 am

Steve,

Thanks for your pictures and information. After reading more threads, people on this forum are very helpful. There is a ton of information to consider.

What is your advice regarding screens on the 4 Man Tipi?

Kevin, has Robby Denning provided any more feedback on the Cimarron?

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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby kevin_t » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:09 pm

dhargo wrote:Steve,

Thanks for your pictures and information. After reading more threads, people on this forum are very helpful. There is a ton of information to consider.

What is your advice regarding screens on the 4 Man Tipi?

Kevin, has Robby Denning provided any more feedback on the Cimarron?

Old Guy (David)


Not really , but we have a ton of positive feedback form others and used it a ton ourselves.
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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby reaper » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:07 am

dhargo wrote:Steve,

Thanks for your pictures and information. After reading more threads, people on this forum are very helpful. There is a ton of information to consider.

What is your advice regarding screens on the 4 Man Tipi?

Kevin, has Robby Denning provided any more feedback on the Cimarron?

Old Guy (David)

You are welcome.
I ordered mine without a bug net but few months ago i DIY one on a door only.I think they are expensive for what they are and you have to be careful No-see-Um is not the strongest fabric.Nice to see outside without having mosquitos.

One thing about the new desing like cimarron or redcliff,they looks easier to pitch,you have a little learning curve with the 4,6,8 man ect.Again, 4 man is awesome.
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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby njc89 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:42 pm

Assuming comparable configurations (separate poles, stove jacks, no bug net, including stakes and sacks) what would the complete weights be between the Cimmaron and 4 man? I see canopy weights online, but can't seem to find an apples to apples comparison.

I had been considering the Redcliff for additional comfort, but the Cimmaron and 4 man seem like maybe better options for 1-2 people when you have to pack everything up a mountain.

Thanks

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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby kevin_t » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:11 pm

I'd go Cimarron for packing high and far . I don't have the weights off hand and I know most are on our site but not apples to apples due to how they are sold differently, which is partially due to the difference in sizes and slight difference is purpose . The Cimarron canopy is lighter , a stove jack is no more than 3 ounces , the pole is 2 - 3 ounces less ... Plus it is short enough to use trekking poles well ( we believe about 6 ft is the limit for trekking poles to work well ) and it uses only half as many stakes ( although the 4 works well with half the stakes as well ) . The advantages to the 4 is stand up and liner options , the Redcliff I think is closer to a 6 in feel , but more like a 4 in weight and Cimarron is ease of setup .


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Re: Shelter Selection Advice

Postby Axel » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:47 pm

I just turned 70 and have hunted, etc. the high mountains of BC and Alberta, since 1964 and backpacked here since 1956.

My choice for your needs is the Cimarron, with the new bug screens, in fact, the lack thereof is why I have not as yet bought mine.

I don't bother with a heat source until after mid-October to save weight and after 29 years using various tipi-type shelters here, I find this OK for me.....but, when it comes to cold, I am a Sasquatch, anyway.

I will, however, buy a Ti stove with my Cimarron and as I prefer to go solo I expect that I will have lots of room and be warm and happy.

Just my thots, for any help they may be.
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